I don't think that this clip has anything to do with racism. Everyone is going about saying that the line "its thier fault they don't have anything to eat" is racist. I personally think that this is about the first nations actions and what they have done to get themselves in this situation.
Also the first nations tried to claim the land but it was rejected. Then the golf course needed permission to build on it from someone probably the Government and thier is nothing the first nations can do about it...
how did the oka crisis effect canada's national identity? what came out good in the oka crisis? why was the claim of the first nations rejected? racism.. i didnt see any in the clip... ?
Native's need to earn their land. The people of Oka earned their golf course by being co-operative, trustworthy citizens. I refuse to believe that anyone in the clip was being outwardly racist (although the burning of effigies was disturbing). The Mohawks need to start working for their land and quit trying to get welfare out of the Gov't. It's not just theirs to have- they should earn it.
in the start of the clip there was a man that said "their 40 years old and their umm some kind of bush and their not clean trees like maple and things like that"
is the man saying that the trees are not clean or not "good" trees so the canadian people instantly have the right to make a golf course?? Also,who is 40 years old?the people??
Personally I don't think the line, "it's their fault if they don't have anything to eat" was racist, if the Mohawk people didn't have anything to eat it can partially be the Quebecois/governments fault because they took away land that could have been for growing food as well as land that was used for cemetary purposes. Also the First Nations were forced to live on little amounts of land when it was origionally theirs. I believe that could be tied in with racism, from years ago and now (especially when they said that the Quebecois were throwing rocks at the FNs and when the mannequin was hung). Why did the FN decide to use force to try to get what they wanted? This has been an ongoing crisis; but couldn't they have tried to solve this peacefully, was this their last resort? Did the government only try to keep the golf course up and the First Nations "under control" by force because they were afraid of losing income from the golf course?
Through watching this video, along with personal research I have done it seems to me like this event, the Okra crises, was not so much an issue of a simple 18 hole golf course. Rather the violence that came from the Mokawk's steamed from years upon years of the Canadian government quietly working away at what they claimed was their land, and undermining their rights as a people.
Evidence of this: http://books.google.ca/books?id=UJMz5eI7Gt0C&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=Mohawk+loss+of+land&source=bl&ots=hSylOIse_M&sig=i2C3cJm_X9QZSFpToLdIyp6N3kg&hl=en&ei=kVbXS4-HN8X7lwf60rSLBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Mohawk%20loss%20of%20land&f=false
Then acting (what I assume to be) on this justification, the First Nations began protesting this construction. Eventually this peaceful dispute led to an armed response*
*Did the FN transition from peaceful protest to barricades due to Canadian actions? Did they feel they needed to take this aggressive approach to be taken seriously by the press and Canadian government?
**Connection to Louis Riel and Fort Garry?
Amidst this fighting an SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay was killed*. (Just to note: the video had neither mentioned this death, and also had a scene where a Mohawk man spoke to the camera crew, stating that they were not carrying arms. This in fact, is contrast to reports I have found in my research:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Oka_barricade.jpg (Mowhawk man waving rifle over overturned police car.)
*Had this death sparked military action from Canadian forces?
In the end the Canadien government gave in to FN demands. Construction of golf course had ended. This brings me to my final question:
*The Canadian government only gave into the FN demands when they used force. Had the threat of fear, convinced the Canadian government to concede not what was "right".
To sum up my many questions:
1-Did the FN transition from peaceful protest to barricades due to Canadian actions? Did they feel they needed to take this aggressive approach to be taken seriously by the press and Canadian government?
2-Was their any connection to Louis Riel and his affair with Fort Garry?
3-Had [CQ Police officer]'s death sparked military action from Canadian forces?
4-Had the threat of fear, convinced the Canadian government to concede not what was "right".
how could the natives not realize that the expansion of the golf course was going to come? what could they have done besides rebell against the quebecouis to fight against the idea of expansion?
Anonymous said... Personally I don't think the line, "it's their fault if they don't have anything to eat" was racist, if the Mohawk people didn't have anything to eat it can partially be the Quebecois/governments fault because they took away land that could have been for growing food as well as land that was used for cemetary purposes. Also the First Nations were forced to live on little amounts of land when it was origionally theirs. I believe that could be tied in with racism, from years ago and now (especially when they said that the Quebecois were throwing rocks at the FNs and when the mannequin was hung). Why did the FN decide to use force to try to get what they wanted? This has been an ongoing crisis; but couldn't they have tried to solve this peacefully, was this their last resort? Did the government only try to keep the golf course up and the First Nations "under control" by force because they were afraid of losing income from the golf course?
sorry, im confused are you saying it is racist or not because, you said it is the government/quebecquois fault
Why couldnt the Quebecois just make their golf coarse somewhere else instead of making a big deal out of it and fighting with the Mohawks? or possibly split the land?
couldnt the quebecois make the golf course somewhere else, instead of invading on the mohawks land? why did it take the government so long to get involved?
i understand that the first nations were angered at the extension of the golf course because they were building it over ancient barial ground...but i don't see why so much violence occurred while trying to fight for their land. I also dont think that racism was involed in any way, the quebecois were just fighting back. Did they ever consider a peaful approach? kso..i dont think this is making much sense anymore but yea, that line that everybody was saying was racist: "its thier fault they don't have anything to eat" is not racist at all in my opinoin, the person who said that was just stating the fact that they should be able to provide for themselves. Also, why *didnt* the quebecois think to build the rest of the golf course somewhere else? So, im not really decided on whos side to take here....PCE.
I think this is all about money or thats how it started........ i think that the people trying to expand the golf course were interested in making loads of money...
I also think that the white police officers were favouring the white people.........
I understand that the Mohawks after this was done were given more attention but why were they so violent about the land why couldn't they have gone to the government and why did the quebec people in oka have to be so violent why couldn't they keep peace and not have such a violent approach to this what about the other ways to approach did they ever think about these ways????????????
the oka people had all the right to create a 9 hole golf course on that land, but why was it so necisarry to expand it, and if so, why didnt they expand to another peice of land, rather than the what mohawk thought was their land? Was this mohawk land? did they have the land rights?
Personally, I agree with the mohawks. I think that the quebecois were selfish for trying to build on their burial ground. I do agree with what the mohawks did, but I thought they took it too far with the violence.
How long has this crisis been going on for? Is it still a problem today?
When going into research, I found that the federal government purchased this land later on for $5.3 million. They did this to prevent any further development. But was that the right way to handle this? Could they have worked something out so that the mohawk people could rightfully own their land? And could they have some how incorperated the people of Quebec by giving them land to expand their golf corse on, besides the mohawks land?
perosn with the second comment..... this isnt racist. how is it not racist? the quebecois were blaming the mohawk people for not having food and thats their fault...how?
Why didn't the Quebecois just build the golf course over differnt land considering how angered the Mohawk people were getting at the choise of land for the extension? Also, i don't think that raacism was involved with the outbust in any way...maybe a little bit but i don't think that is what had started it.
I don't understand how this is racist. If this same situation happend, only it was land issuse between to groups of people with the same race, then nobody would be saying it was racist. People get into issuse over land rights often, racism has nothing to do with it.
that was the mohawks land to begin with, there ancester worked for it it's like when people say "were working to make tomorrows future better....." or what ever they say. the mohawk ancester worked hard so their kids would have that land to work on and live on and farm on and this does have stuff to do with racsism the comment about "its their fault they dont have food" was a shot at the mohawk
Why so much violence? Didn't anyone think of a peaceful resolution?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that this clip has anything to do with racism. Everyone is going about saying that the line "its thier fault they don't have anything to eat" is racist. I personally think that this is about the first nations actions and what they have done to get themselves in this situation.
ReplyDeleteAlso the first nations tried to claim the land but it was rejected. Then the golf course needed permission to build on it from someone probably the Government and thier is nothing the first nations can do about it...
So i herd yuo liek mudkipz?
how did the oka crisis effect canada's national identity?
ReplyDeletewhat came out good in the oka crisis?
why was the claim of the first nations rejected?
racism.. i didnt see any in the clip... ?
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Native's need to earn their land. The people of Oka earned their golf course by being co-operative, trustworthy citizens. I refuse to believe that anyone in the clip was being outwardly racist (although the burning of effigies was disturbing). The Mohawks need to start working for their land and quit trying to get welfare out of the Gov't. It's not just theirs to have- they should earn it.
ReplyDeletein the start of the clip there was a man that said "their 40 years old and their umm some kind of bush and their not clean trees like maple and things like that"
ReplyDeleteis the man saying that the trees are not clean or not "good" trees so the canadian people instantly have the right to make a golf course?? Also,who is 40 years old?the people??
Personally I don't think the line, "it's their fault if they don't have anything to eat" was racist, if the Mohawk people didn't have anything to eat it can partially be the Quebecois/governments fault because they took away land that could have been for growing food as well as land that was used for cemetary purposes. Also the First Nations were forced to live on little amounts of land when it was origionally theirs. I believe that could be tied in with racism, from years ago and now (especially when they said that the Quebecois were throwing rocks at the FNs and when the mannequin was hung).
ReplyDeleteWhy did the FN decide to use force to try to get what they wanted? This has been an ongoing crisis; but couldn't they have tried to solve this peacefully, was this their last resort? Did the government only try to keep the golf course up and the First Nations "under control" by force because they were afraid of losing income from the golf course?
Through watching this video, along with personal research I have done it seems to me like this event, the Okra crises, was not so much an issue of a simple 18 hole golf course. Rather the violence that came from the Mokawk's steamed from years upon years of the Canadian government quietly working away at what they claimed was their land, and undermining their rights as a people.
ReplyDeleteEvidence of this: http://books.google.ca/books?id=UJMz5eI7Gt0C&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=Mohawk+loss+of+land&source=bl&ots=hSylOIse_M&sig=i2C3cJm_X9QZSFpToLdIyp6N3kg&hl=en&ei=kVbXS4-HN8X7lwf60rSLBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Mohawk%20loss%20of%20land&f=false
Then acting (what I assume to be) on this justification, the First Nations began protesting this construction. Eventually this peaceful dispute led to an armed response*
*Did the FN transition from peaceful protest to barricades due to Canadian actions? Did they feel they needed to take this aggressive approach to be taken seriously by the press and Canadian government?
**Connection to Louis Riel and Fort Garry?
Amidst this fighting an SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay was killed*. (Just to note: the video had neither mentioned this death, and also had a scene where a Mohawk man spoke to the camera crew, stating that they were not carrying arms. This in fact, is contrast to reports I have found in my research:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Oka_barricade.jpg
(Mowhawk man waving rifle over overturned police car.)
*Had this death sparked military action from Canadian forces?
In the end the Canadien government gave in to FN demands. Construction of golf course had ended. This brings me to my final question:
*The Canadian government only gave into the FN demands when they used force. Had the threat of fear, convinced the Canadian government to concede not what was "right".
To sum up my many questions:
1-Did the FN transition from peaceful protest to barricades due to Canadian actions? Did they feel they needed to take this aggressive approach to be taken seriously by the press and Canadian government?
2-Was their any connection to Louis Riel and his affair with Fort Garry?
3-Had [CQ Police officer]'s death sparked military action from Canadian forces?
4-Had the threat of fear, convinced the Canadian government to concede not what was "right".
how could the natives not realize that the expansion of the golf course was going to come? what could they have done besides rebell against the quebecouis to fight against the idea of expansion?
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ReplyDeletePersonally I don't think the line, "it's their fault if they don't have anything to eat" was racist, if the Mohawk people didn't have anything to eat it can partially be the Quebecois/governments fault because they took away land that could have been for growing food as well as land that was used for cemetary purposes. Also the First Nations were forced to live on little amounts of land when it was origionally theirs. I believe that could be tied in with racism, from years ago and now (especially when they said that the Quebecois were throwing rocks at the FNs and when the mannequin was hung).
Why did the FN decide to use force to try to get what they wanted? This has been an ongoing crisis; but couldn't they have tried to solve this peacefully, was this their last resort? Did the government only try to keep the golf course up and the First Nations "under control" by force because they were afraid of losing income from the golf course?
sorry, im confused are you saying it is racist or not because, you said it is the government/quebecquois fault
nevermind I just read further into your comment.
ReplyDeleteWhy couldnt the Quebecois just make their golf coarse somewhere else instead of making a big deal out of it and fighting with the Mohawks? or possibly split the land?
ReplyDeleteWhy did the government reject the mohawks land request? Also, was there any other land nearby that the golf cource owners could have built on?
ReplyDeletecouldnt the quebecois make the golf course somewhere else, instead of invading on the mohawks land?
ReplyDeletewhy did it take the government so long to get involved?
i understand that the first nations were angered at the extension of the golf course because they were building it over ancient barial ground...but i don't see why so much violence occurred while trying to fight for their land. I also dont think that racism was involed in any way, the quebecois were just fighting back. Did they ever consider a peaful approach? kso..i dont think this is making much sense anymore but yea, that line that everybody was saying was racist: "its thier fault they don't have anything to eat" is not racist at all in my opinoin, the person who said that was just stating the fact that they should be able to provide for themselves. Also, why *didnt* the quebecois think to build the rest of the golf course somewhere else? So, im not really decided on whos side to take here....PCE.
ReplyDeleteI think this is all about money or thats how it started........ i think that the people trying to expand the golf course were interested in making loads of money...
ReplyDeleteI also think that the white police officers were favouring the white people.........
I understand that the Mohawks after this was done were given more attention but why were they so violent about the land why couldn't they have gone to the government and why did the quebec people in oka have to be so violent why couldn't they keep peace and not have such a violent approach to this what about the other ways to approach did they ever think about these ways????????????
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ReplyDeleteWhat's so racist about this clip anyway?
ReplyDeleteWhat were the main reasons for the first nation peoples' resentment against the government in Oka in 1990???
ReplyDeletethe oka people had all the right to create a 9 hole golf course on that land, but why was it so necisarry to expand it, and if so, why didnt they expand to another peice of land, rather than the what mohawk thought was their land?
ReplyDeleteWas this mohawk land? did they have the land rights?
How long were the quebecios throwing rocks for and did the police stop them in any way
ReplyDeletePersonally, I agree with the mohawks. I think that the quebecois were selfish for trying to build on their burial ground. I do agree with what the mohawks did, but I thought they took it too far with the violence.
ReplyDeleteHow long has this crisis been going on for? Is it still a problem today?
When going into research, I found that the federal government purchased this land later on for $5.3 million. They did this to prevent any further development. But was that the right way to handle this? Could they have worked something out so that the mohawk people could rightfully own their land? And could they have some how incorperated the people of Quebec by giving them land to expand their golf corse on, besides the mohawks land?
ReplyDeleteperosn with the second comment..... this isnt racist. how is it not racist? the quebecois were blaming the mohawk people for not having food and thats their fault...how?
ReplyDeleteI agree with the mohawks the quuebecios should have been respectful and think of that happening in there place
ReplyDeleteWhy didn't the Quebecois just build the golf course over differnt land considering how angered the Mohawk people were getting at the choise of land for the extension? Also, i don't think that raacism was involved with the outbust in any way...maybe a little bit but i don't think that is what had started it.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how this is racist. If this same situation happend, only it was land issuse between to groups of people with the same race, then nobody would be saying it was racist. People get into issuse over land rights often, racism has nothing to do with it.
ReplyDeleteWhat gave the people in Oka the right to build a golf course on the Mohawks sacred burial ground and how on earth did they get permission attempt to.
ReplyDeletethat was the mohawks land to begin with, there ancester worked for it it's like when people say "were working to make tomorrows future better....." or what ever they say. the mohawk ancester worked hard so their kids would have that land to work on and live on and farm on and this does have stuff to do with racsism the comment about "its their fault they dont have food" was a shot at the mohawk
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